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		<title>Does a DVD player that outputs 480i over HDMI really need to be more than $100?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean seriously! There is no simpler a solution than a DVD player that outputs the 480i signal decoded from the DVD to an HDMI output. There&#8217;s no processing, no deinterlacing, no scaling. Just decode it and output it. Bam! Done! My current home theater is based around a Denon AVR-2308CI Receiver which handles all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean seriously!</p>
<p>There is no simpler a solution than a DVD player that outputs the 480i signal decoded from the DVD to an HDMI output. There&#8217;s no processing, no deinterlacing, no scaling. Just decode it and output it. Bam! Done!</p>
<p>My current home theater is based around a Denon <a title="Link -- Denon AVR-2308CI" href="http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3631.asp" target="_blank">AVR-2308CI</a> Receiver which handles all my video processing thanks to it&#8217;s magical voodoo (and a DCDi video processor <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ). When searching for a DVD player to solve my <a title="Link -- ENUBAUM.COM" href="http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/2008/09/03/xbox-360-freezing-while-watching-a-dvd-movie-sad-panda/" target="_self">previously mentioned DVD watching dilemma</a>, I wanted just a simple DVD player that can output 480i over HDMI. Why should I waste my money on an upconverting DVD player when my receiver can do the same function (and probably better). Seemed simple, right?</p>
<p><strong>WRONG!</strong></p>
<p>It seems the internet defacto DVD player that does 480i is the Oppo Digital <a title="Link -- Oppo Digital DV-980H" href="http://www.oppodigital.com/dv980h/default.asp" target="_blank">DV-980H</a> which weighs in at $169 MSRP! <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  There are a couple other options as well, including the previous Oppo Digital DVD player model, <a title="Link -- Oppo Digital DV-970HD" href="http://www.oppodigital.com/dv970hd/dv970hd.html" target="_blank">DV-970HD</a> which was specifically marketed as a &#8216;cheap&#8217; player that supports 480i over HDMI. The problem you ask? It&#8217;s no longer offered directly from Oppo and it still sells for &gt; $100 in the secondary used market.</p>
<p>An hour or so of Google-Fu later I landed on the Pioneer <a title="Link -- Pioneer DV-400V-K" href="http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/Blu-rayDisc+DVD/PioneerDVDPlayers+Recorders/ci.DV-410V-K.Kuro?tab=B" target="_blank">DV-400V-K</a> DVD Player! Pioneers own website lists its MSRP as $99 and with some luck I found it refurbished through an Amazon reseller for $49! <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <strong>EURIKA!</strong> At last the lords of the Internet blessed me with a little devine intervention on my search results <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I got to wondering after my pilgrimage to find this DVD player, why does it have to be so hard? I mean, if manufacturers like Denon offer Receivers with video upscaling and deinterlacing already included, why do they also sell DVD players with the SAME functionality? You&#8217;d think they&#8217;d try to offer a family of products that not only work well with one another but don&#8217;t waste your money on duplicate hardware that you won&#8217;t be utilizing. Denon is a prime example of this because even their &#8216;low end&#8217; DVD player still carries an MSRP of $169 (and even then, it uses the built in DVD hardware deinterlacer without offering pure 480i output).</p>
<p>So as I said, there HAS to be a good quality family of products out there that are symbiotic and AFFORDABLE because they&#8217;re saving money on not having to waste it on unused hardware. <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Apple TV: Another Internet Asshole&#8217;s Opinion</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recall walking through my local Apple retail store a while back while purchasing my wife&#8217;s Black MacBook. One of the products that caught my eye was a little white box plugged into an LCD TV. It was my first exposure to Apple TV. I was looking through the features and was somewhat interested. It [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall walking through my local Apple retail store a while back while purchasing my wife&#8217;s Black MacBook. One of the products that caught my eye was a little white box plugged into an LCD TV. It was my first exposure to Apple TV.</p>
<p>I was looking through the features and was somewhat interested. It seemed like a media extender for iTunes, which was fine if that was what you were in the market for. Built in WiFi was a big plus as was the built in hard drive. It had HDMI output and was setup on an HD LCD TV, so I decided to poke around the UI looking for some video content. The Apple store had pre-loaded it with a couple TV shows, movie clips and trailers. The content looked very pixelated and low quality. I assumed it was due to the Apple store not loading any HD content onto the Apple TV but after asking the &#8216;Genius&#8217; at the Apple store what was up, I was informed that there was no HD content available for Apple TV or iTunes.</p>
<p>Say what? Apple built a media extender with HDMI and video playback capability rated at 720p and then decided not to release any HD content for it? Are they retarded?</p>
<p>I then let Apple TV slip into the back of my head as another hardware endeavor destined to fail, along with <a title="Wikipedia - WebTV" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebTV" target="_blank">WebTV</a> and the <a title="Wikipedia -- Apple Interactive Television Box" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Interactive_Television_Box" target="_blank">Apple Interactive Television Box</a>.</p>
<p>This brings us to last week while watching Steve Jobs&#8217; <a title="Apple.com -- Steve Jobs keynote speech" href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf08/" target="_blank">keynote speech</a> at MacWorld 2008. Apple has completely revamped the UI and transformed the Apple TV into a media playing, HD streaming, video renting machine! Is this a good thing? I think it depends on how you handle your media.</p>
<p>Over the last couple years I was a big purchaser of DVD movies. Not only as a fan of cinema but also as a collector. I don&#8217;t want to think about how much money I&#8217;ve spent on movies as I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;d be both depressing and staggering. But as I sit here and look at the monolith that is my DVD collection, I look through the titles and think how often I actually watch them. The most I&#8217;ve ever watched a title is about once or twice a year, if it&#8217;s a movie I <span style="text-decoration: underline;">really</span> enjoy. Some movies, I&#8217;m ashamed to say, are still in their original shrink wrap packaging.</p>
<p>So while watching Mr. Jobs&#8217; speech, I began to wonder, is electronic delivery and rental the next step in my movie watching? At first I rebuffed the idea of buying an Apple TV for $229 because it seemed silly. I mean, $229 for a device that lets me rent movies? That&#8217;s like buying a golf cart you only drive to your local Blockbuster Video. But then I started crunching the numbers in my head comparing the upgrade of my home theater to a new HD format, say, Blu-Ray vs. getting an Apple TV.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume I&#8217;m purchasing a player and movies that I&#8217;ll watch once a year. The numbers add up like this for an average of 20 new movies per year for the first year:</p>
<p><strong>Blu-Ray:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Player: $399</li>
<li>New Releases (such as Superbad, or Simpsons Movie): $28.99</li>
<li>Library Release (such as Blazing Saddles): $14.99</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Apple TV:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Player: $229</li>
<li>New Releases: $4.99</li>
<li>Library Releases: $3.99</li>
</ul>
<p>Now if we assume that of those twenty HD movies I&#8217;m going to watch are only 75% new releases, our numbers add up to (for the first year):</p>
<ul>
<li>Blu-Ray: $908.80</li>
<li>Apple TV: $332.80</li>
</ul>
<p>The cost of Apple TV for the first year of ownership is almost ONE THIRD OF THE PRICE of Blu-Ray and most likely HDDVD, which probably won&#8217;t be around much longer with the departure of Warner Brothers to the Blu-Ray camp.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m comparing PURCHASING Blu-Ray titles vs. RENTING iTunes titles is because there isn&#8217;t a Blockbuster or other video rental store within 15 minutes of my home (as they seem to be disappearing), so in order for Blu-Ray to have the same accessibility, it&#8217;ll need to be on hand. Unfair? Perhaps, but as I said before, this is MY interpretation of the matter at hand and how it&#8217;ll hit MY pocket book <img src='http://www.enusbaum.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>&#8220;BUT ERIC,&#8221;</strong> you say, <strong>&#8220;BLU-RAY IS 1080P AND APPLE TV ONLY SUPPORTS 720P! YOU n00b!&#8221;</strong> &#8211; Probably You</p>
<p>Alas, I can&#8217;t deny the truth. But then, what does science have to say about the relevance of that argument? I point you over to <a title="Audioholics.com -- 1080p and the Acuity of Human Vision" href="http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/1080p-and-the-acuity-of-human-vision" target="_blank">this</a> very good article at Audioholics.com titled &#8220;<em>1080p and the Acuity of Human Vision</em>&#8220;.  If you have some time I do suggest you go read the entire article, but for those not in the mood for some math and reading I&#8217;ll quote directly from the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Put bluntly, from 8 feet away while watching a 50 inch plasma TV, the human eye is generally incapable of reliably distinguishing any detail finer than that shown on a true 720p display!</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an Apple fan boy, far from it. I have just as many PC&#8217;s in my house as I do Apple computers. But personally, for MY own reasons and number crunching, it seems that Apple TV is a pretty sweet deal and is in a position to give Sony a run in the upcoming format DELIVERY wars, which will be streaming vs. physical media</p>
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